Good afternoon, ladies and gentleman, welcome to our KuppingerCole webinar, SAP SAP, and the computing. My name is Martin Kuppinger I'm founder of KuppingerCole. And I will talk about our review on how the say the bigger strategy of SAP on some of the more details behind us, relate to what we see as one of the, the fundamental changes currently, which we call the computing, Kar this webinar, maybe before, before we start. So as an overview, this webinar will be not an I identity access management, only webinar, another information security only webinar, really look at the bigger story at the bigger picture behind these things. But really we also will look at what does it need from, let's say a fundamental fundamental foundation regarding security in other aspects. So in the next shortage 40 minutes, I assume I will look into to these topics and, and provide you with our view on how we see SAP strategy in the context of what we see as the, the fundamental drifts and fundamental changes in it.
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It will be a Q and a session at the end, but you can the questions at any time using the questions featuring to go to webinar control panel, you'll find this control panel at the right side of your screen, just an area questions. And there you can enter your questions. Usually I will pick them at the end. In some cases, I might also pick a question during the webinar, given that I'm the only speaker today, the, at the agenda split only in two parts, which is my presentation and the Q and a parts in my presentation. I will talk first about the computing dry kinds impact on it. And then I will relate this, relate this to the shift of SAP, towards cloud mobile and social. And I think it'll be very interesting to see how these things map and overlap with each other. One thing I must inform you about is in the, you know, the online information about his webinar and the invitation Greg Burton was planned as a speaker for today's webinar, unfortunately, Greg fall.
So he can't participate today. So I'm doing it alone and hope that Greg is back board soon again. Okay, let's start. And I think when we, when we look at all the things we are doing in it, we should not look at technology for us. We should look at what business requires. So the reason why we do it, and the only reason why we do it is that there are business challenges we have to deal with. There are permanent challenges, such as globalization. We have to compete in a different way, act on other markets, etcetera, the changing competitive landscape with new dynamic organizations, entering the market with new companies popping up, etcetera. And if you look at many of the, the industries, then they really have changed fundamentally. And that's for sure, always the, the challenge of growth. So you have to grow, you have to become bigger.
There are occasional challenges such as economic turmoil, which mean that you have to optimize your business probably fast than, than usual. They are changing regulations. Most of them are sort of becoming more and more permanent. When we look at the last few years and there are some other challenges, so you need to increase your earnings. So it's not only about revenue growth, etcetera. It's really about increasing earnings. Your investors are expecting this etcetera hunt for talent is another thing. So you need to support the requirements of, of talent, which you want to have on board in your organization. They want to collaborate and communicate in different ways than maybe the elder employees are used to do so there's, there are several business business challenges. I think these are some of the most important ones which are really driving evolution in it. And based on these challenges, there are some success factors. So related to these challenges, there are success factors. When we look at the permanent requirement, one of the success factors is the extended enterprise. When we look at how things are growing, how we, how we have to cooperate in, in a more complex landscape, etcetera, then the extended enterprise is one of the fundamental
Changes we are seeing. So virtually all of the organizations I'm talking with currently is facing the, the challenge of onboarding business partners, far more far past the far more rapid than ever before. They have to support in a far more flexible way than ever before and the other area. So when we go beyond the B2B area and there clearly is B2C, where we have to engage in different ways with our customers, customers expect, expect that we interact with them. We are the web, we have to do this. We have to do it in a very well sort way, going beyond the pure website, becoming really interactive and supporting them. And I think this is one of these fundamental changes, the extended enterprise business to business business, to consumer, we have the, the need for agility, agility for growth. So we need to be agile to adapt, to changes in the market and to ensure that we can grow in this changing economic landscape in the changing competition, et cetera, we have to innovate.
We have also to support agility for rapid adaptation. For instance, during periods of economic turmoil, we have the requirement of compliance, which is, I think, would also say increasingly permanent challenge. So we always have to be compliant, but we have new challenges and compliance from time to time. And it's a sort of a continuous growth and compliance requirement we are facing. And we have other things such as cost, cost savings. We always have to reduce cost. And we have this challenge of in the success for factor of enabling new types of collaboration, communication, not only for the talent, but also for our consumers, we have to deal with collaboration, communication in different ways. So when you really look at what are the, the, some of the fundamental business challenges and what are the success factor, success factors dealing with these challenges, and it becomes very clear that we have to provide some new functionality, some new capabilities also in our it environments, because in fact, all of our business based on it today, we have to provide an it environment which truly fits to the business requirements.
And when we look at these things, then there's, and when we look at why they become so important and permanent these days, and I think there's, there's, that's also about economies of scale. So when we look at time, so the time scale on one side, the number of things, then we are seeing exponential growths inward facing processes. So in contrast to former times, we have far more outward facing processes before and the numbers growing outward facing processes, where we integrate with business partners, where we integrate with consumers. So B2 B B2C really going for continuously forward. We have the same situation with users. So we're not only talking about our employees anymore. We have to deal with our business partners, with our customers, with our prospects and so on. We have to deal with people who engage with us. We are Facebook or whatever. And also there, we see a strong growth in the number we are using more and more external it services.
So the cloud is a reality to the cloud as a fact, and we have to deal with this. So in this situation, which is related to terms such as ization and mobile computing, consumerization of social computing, cloud computing, we are in a situation today where these, where, where we can't handle these, these, this grows anymore with our traditional technology. So the traditional siloed, inwards facing tool centric, it, which we have used for many, many years will not scale economy economically with these challenges we are facing, we have to rethink the way we are doing it. We have to really fundamentally change also the way we are acting here. And I think this is where, where it really becomes interesting to look at SAP because when we look at SAP historically, then SAP is sort of a perfect example for the siloed invert facing tool centric.
It, it has been at the beginning. So when we go really back to the early years, for sure it was a business tool, but at the end of the day, it was really a heavyweight thing internally for the internal it, for running the business. And clearly there's a, a specific challenge because this is the core of your business system on one hand, and you're facing these challenges. And that's what I really want to look at during this session on, on how SAP is addressing this and what we see as a change in whether snaps or not. That's really what I have in mind today. And one of the things, one of these changes dive a little bit deeper into what I've talked about was this slide. One of these changes is what I call the identity explosion. So when, when we look back this many technologies and many systems, we, we really focus on our employees.
So if you look at your, your SAP environment, there's the HR or H HCM system, which traditionally is focused on the employees. Some companies have some few or some more externals in there, but in fact, it's an employee system. And when you, for a sense instance, look at your identity access management area, that there's still a common understanding, a pretty narrow understanding, which doesn't work anymore. From my perspective that HR drives your identity access management. But reality is that you have your business partners there, your HR or HCM system is not logical place to manage these partners. They other systems. And then you have your prospect lead customers and there your CRM systems are the logical bla to manage these. They are other systems to handle them. And clearly not the HR system, which in fact means you have to rethink the way you are doing things.
You have to re rethink all this infrastructure behind to manage this engagement. You need to have from a business perspective, not only with your employees, but with your partners, your prospects leads customers, whatever. And this identity explosion thing, in fact means you have to re rethink the way you're doing it, and you have to open up systems. And that's one of these fundamental changes we are observing. This also relates to that slide, the need to share. So we are moving from decentralized infrastructures, the PC networking, the internet, some business partner integration. Some of that we did for quite a while, into a world with a integration of customers where we need to engage in different way. And that affect a lot of industries. If you look at smart metering in the utilities, in the energy sector, it's about fundamentally different engagement with your customers today.
They are not only customers anymore. They might also produce energy. They might produce power. And so the relationship is changing. If you look at things like such as the connected vehicle, there, it's about a fundamental different integration and interaction with your customers and all these things are, are changing. And it means also we need to, our supply chain sometimes even are changing. If you look at the utility industry to some degree in other areas, we have the situation that for instance, manufacturing of consumer goods, that we, we are increasingly seeing approaches where we, where, where things are produced more or less on demand. So there, there is, you can order some, some shoes for running, which you can customize and they are produced then sort of on demand. And this, all these interaction, things, these integration things well beyond the social network space and well beyond the, let's say the more it centric areas it's really growing and we need to support it.
We need to open up. And that in fact really means we have to, to enhance the, the support of our business systems, to new groups of users, to deal with far more people in a different way. And in fact, the end of the parameter is something which pretty well describes this. So historically we had this mainframe, then we had some PCs and a little bit of Unix things have changed. And right now we have a situation where we have the cloud. There's a lot of services out there. We have our mobile devices, our mobile users using notebooks, etc. Internal it, and there's not the central it anymore where everything runs through things have really changed. And that's, I think one of the, the real important points where we see a fundamental per time shift. And I think last year, my colleague Craig Burton created the term, the computing Troy car I have here used my, my standard, sort of my, sort of my standard slide for this, which was the computing dry car as the news code of information security.
In fact, it's the news scope of it. The computing dry car really is this fundamental describing this fundamental change of it. So we are seeing three fundamental shifts here. One is cloud computing where we have different types of deployment models. This is a, I would say a fairly it driven change because it's really about different types of it. Deployment models. We have the area, the area of social computing. And, and when we define this term a little bit broader than, than purely social computing, then it's about the term, which says we have far bigger user populations to deal with it's about this. It's not only our internal use in some partners, it's far more business partners that the customers deletes the prospect, it's the identity explosion thing. And we have the mobile computing thing, which means also to, to high degree consumerization in the sense of people using different devices, accessing it in, in different different ways, not only through a browser, they expect new user experiences, the user experience they expect changing rather quickly.
So what you don't know, what the sort of preferred way of engagement will be two or three years from now, since our continuously changing, we have to support it to be able to deal with the ch challenges and the requirements I've described at the beginning and to really support businesses in achieving or yeah. Achieving the success factors and reaching the success factors I have described before. So this computing, dry casting really about cloud social mobile is the fundamental yeah. Challenge at the end of the day and the new scope of it. Not only information security, another thing which kind comes into play, and this is this entire big data story. This is also tightly related to several of these things, because the expectation has changed in a way where, where people expect that they receive targeted information. We see also growing demand for providing realtime information to customers, for instance, in buying processes cetera, and in many, many other areas during our recent European identity cloud conference, we have several sessions around big data.
And one of the, the, the important things is really to, to become very smart here, to, to enable delivering exactly the information someone needs. So not only accumulating masses of data, but, but really saying, okay, I have some data, I process it. I have a, some basic data. And I, I, I enhance this entire data with data from various sources. I can also access internally. For instance, I might then access one of these graph APIs of the social network to add some additional information, et cetera, to really become very smart, but being able to deal with masses of information to, to make more value out of this information. This is a fundamental need. We are, we are seeing here as well, and this is not something which we need to do, or there's good reason behind this. It's, it's not because we would like to do big data it's because there are new challenges such as utility, such as new types of communication and information delivered to customers.
We, we have to support. And so big data is also one of the things that come into play here. And I've talked about the extended enterprise before it's extended enterprise thing is something which I have two slides on this right now, the one, the first one is more the, let's say my IM so identity access management Analyst slide. What we really see in organizations is that they say, okay, we need to use slot services because we want to have this or want to use that new service, which provides us new opportunities. And this is only available via cloud or, or so they want to access business partner systems. And they also want to have business partners in their systems, onboarding of business partners. They want to collaborate in industry networks, but also in, in, in more complex modern organizations, we might have the need to sort of understand as a, as a network of organiz of entities, of, of different companies, which really interact in a flexible way and for customer interaction.
So there are a lot of things which are really popping up in the organizations where, where the business says, we need to have this. All those things on the left side are very frequently, very commonly seen in virtually all organizations today, feel different with these people. And there are various technologies from the identity access management space, but you need to support this. So you need to have them. And the business value you can achieve is agility, for instance. So, so by enabling the extended enterprise, you become more at trial. You can do it doing it right with the right amount of identity and access management. Understanding. You can do it in a compliant way. You foster innovation by supporting this extended enterprise, by allowing to collaborate in a different way. Think about healthcare professional networks. Think about other types of industry networks for experts, engage where you also can engage with experts.
You need for a particular problem, makes things far easier. And it's about collaboration, communication with your employees, but also with your customers enabling the way customers expect you to communicate these days. So that's really what this end extended enterprise is about. And you can also look at it from a, from a different perspective. And that's where we right now are sort of reaching the scope and the world of the, the core business systems, etcetera. So, so what do you have? You have established your P solutions. There, you have CRM systems, you have masses of data and Mr. Haman of SAP and safari keynote from, from the recent safari conference, Orlando talked about 90% of the data being sort of dark data somewhere in systems, not really in use, which is a, a massive data. So you have a lot of information there. And if you look trust at your customer, you probably know far more about your customer than you use, because you have a lot of information about your customer in your CRM system.
You have data in the ERP system, you have data in some around some websites where you have special purpose databases. You might have some data in your identity access management space, etcetera. So you have masses of data and you have a lot of probably related data. You, you might use, which you don't use today, and you have your established business processes. So you have a good understanding of your business process, but this business process historically are really focused on how do you make your business run smooth by optimizing what you're doing in your business. And right now it's about doing the next step. And this next step means really saying, okay, we, we make better use of this data, which means real time, predictive data analytics. And that's really one of the areas of, I would, would not say big data because it's not about data being big, but of about the smart use of data.
So really making more out of your data, getting more value out of your data by combining data in an intelligent way, by really making a big move there. It's about enabling mobile access. So really supporting the mobility demand. This is clearly one of these key areas of the computing dry time. It's about the integration of social networks and with other types of new forms of collaboration and communication, where you allow your customers to engage with you the way they want to engage with you. It's about dynamic business process, business process, which are built in a way which allow you to, to not only say, okay, this is my, my standard business process, but which for instance, allow you to, to supply very quickly what a customer specifically wants. So this is one, one of the examples that were brought up in this SAP note I've mentioned was about consumer goods, which are then produced on demand for the customer.
I think this is always a balance. These things extending your business processes and, and, and making, or being very adaptive to customer demands. In some areas you might also experience that you can't do too much of that. So I've heard from, from, from car manufacturers that some, maybe 50 years ago, so they might have had 12 or 15 different models, depending on how you count. Right now, they might have 60 or 80 different models. And when they really look at their, their numbers, then they also see that some of these models really are not, don't really deliver positive numbers because, because they are too too specific, they are too targeted. And so it's really always about understanding your business and deciding on what do you need and in, in becoming more adaptive, more agile in your business process. But overall, it's very clear. You need to become more flexible more in these areas.
And it's also about enabling all identities for secure access. So you need to understand who's accessing my information, who do I provide, what, and to also direct this person, even when it comes in someday with Facebook account the next day with your register, your website. So you, you need to maintain continuity for, for identities. You need to understand who is it, what do I allow him depending on the type of application of a lot of other things, and then you really can deliver. And that's the same thing like, like before on the other slide, agility, compliance, innovation, collaboration, and communication. So that's really what, what, what we expect. If you look at it at the, this computing, tricasting from a business perspective, that's what we really expect here. And when we look at SAP core initiatives today, so also something where I've sort of picked some of the, the, the, the essential aspects of the SAP keynote.
One of the terms brought up there was innovation without disruption. And I think this is a very important thing because doing all these things only really makes sense when you can integrate it with your existing business processes. So having yet another system for dealing with customers, instead of having an integrated process with all your business systems, doesn't make much sense. You need to integrate it. You need to, to extend what you have. And so if in the SAP initiatives, there is the SAP high, which is the big word at SAP. Like I think all of you have recognized right now, which shall become a single platform for all future SAP solutions and innovation. So it's really the core platform for all these things, which is more, really a tactical thing.
I think the story behind really is it, it allows for very fast solutions running on this very flexible solutions. So this is the story behind the other three things, given the topic of this webinar, I think it's not very surprising. And it's really three of the, the core initiatives of SAP are cloud mobile social, which clearly relates to the computing track. With other words, computing Dr. Is sort of what is really behind SAP's core initiative. So SAP talked about certain million users. They have under SAP cloud. As of now the cloud being one of the, the major and fundamental delivering delivery models. If you look at what SAP has done on the mobile area, then, then you, you will have observed the strong increase in available mobile interfaces. And there's the social area where SAP, for instance, talks about 10 millions today, collaborating of success factors, which is a pretty big number and where it's also really about tied integration into the business processes.
So in fact, these core initiatives are really about supporting the computing dry car, and they are about enabling the business to solve these issues. We are seeing there, when we look at these core challenges from a little bit different angle, like I'm taking some of the, the bigger S a P claims and stories. I think one of the driving things behind what S a T is doing is B2 B2C. So extending the business, not only to B2B, but really also to B2C, or we are your business partner to the consumer, depending on, on how you, well, you chain, your supply chain are looking but doing this fully integrated. So, so really not having a specific B2C web application, but extending your business process, extending your business systems to this work, which in fact exactly means you need to support mobile. You need to integrate great social networks, cetera, etcetera.
You need to, to have a strong analytic predictive environment and all these other things. So that's the area where HANA comes into play. I think it's smart, fast, secure. That's another part of, of the story SAP is telling smart means integration from backend to the end user customer, in fact, flexible, adapted to the customer. So really doing it in a way where, where it's an extension of your systems doing it very fast. It's a product of M Tom scenarios, enabling new solutions by combining different types of information. I think it's reversed to have a look at this, the recording of the keynote from, from the Shi Orlando there, and you've also observed there. So that was my observation that this keynote smart and fast were pretty long topics. And then the third one mentioned was secure. So smart, fast secure. It took far less time to, to talk about, to talk about secure than it took about talking, talking about fit smart and fast.
So in the secure area, there's the mobile device management, not master data management. In that case, MDM stands here for mobile device management. There's a new fraud management solution. And then yes, there are some identity management. There are some SAP GRC, but this was from my perspective, the area where, where I would have expected a little bit more in that area. So when we go back to this picture on extending the enterprise to the customer, then there are some two areas I would say, where, where I see from an Analyst standpoint, some challenges for SAP. So overall it looks like, like I said, he has a pretty, very interesting understanding and very well sort stretch as of now, after some time in moving forward in the area. So one of the challenges clearly is this is based on Hannah it's based on the SAP systems.
So when we look at the out space of things, so other types of ERP solutions, other types of data and business process system, there is there's, there are, there is, there are capabilities available, but really it's not the primary focus here. And when we look down and enable all identities for secure access, and that's another area where I would put, put on sort of a question, mark, the SAP execution on supporting this computing dry and looking at a little bit deeper into this. So the, the address space area integrations, the project exists, but obviously SAP works best the up and or SAP works best. However, the dependency on SAP will persist. We should be clear about this. So, so in fact, on some areas they'll even drive following the direct, even drive the, let's say the on SAP, in some areas in the security space, there is a broad support and view commitment to standards, such such as Sam.
We have products like the management ones, but there will full support B to be, to see that will require more in the solution area. We will need more than just what we, what, what I observe as of now. So Federation beyond Sam, dynamic, risk and context based authentication and authorization, and another very important area. We also will need to see a better and, and more extended support for cloud directory. So for directories, which allowed to manage all the other identities in a consistent way, and the authorizations, etcetera, I will dive a little bit deeper into these topics from, from two angles. One is why, from our perspective, we, we expect, and we, we think as SAP to, to go more in, in exposing APIs in a consistent way, managing APIs and dealing with the APIs in a consistent way thing that we call API economy.
Also topic. My colleague, Craig has introduced quite a while ago, and the other is looking a little bit deeper on onto some of the other IM related things before I come back to the bigger picture on well, and my rating on, on the thing, the way SAP is addressing this. So in the API economy, in fact, what is behind is that you see increasing number of APIs exposed. So if you look at Facebook, Twitter, cetera, if you look at Salesforce dotcom to talk not about at that point of time, all of them are exposing a number of APIs. You need to manage these APIs. You need to platforms and the tools. So create all these things. There are some things there in the SAP environment, but I wouldn't rate much clear leader in that area. And then you can use it to recreate smart data, to build new types of apps for your mobile environments, to orchestra rate your business process based on information from your environment and other environments.
And again, expose APIs here. So, and you need also to have the security management overall claims, etc. I think that's, that's one of these areas where, where I see clearly some room of poor improvement. The other is really about moving to a dynamic, versatile, flexible, authentication by dynamics saying, okay, you know, you have a context of a user, you have credentials, you have policies and you have a dynamic authentication. Also we're safe decisions. So as I, some decision, which says, okay, black, external, or white internal, but one which says, okay, depending on the context of why someone is using the location and a lot of other factors, I allow him to do the transaction or not. I think there's still some, some, some long way to go for full support of such concepts, but they are essential to, for a full delivery of the, the story behind the computing.
Troy, it is a support of social cloud mobile. And the other thing is versatile. You need to support different types of tokens in a very flexible way. Again, this is a prerequisite for the full support of computing TRICA and it has to be risk based. So there's a context risk, there's an information risk. And based on your poli policies, you have to decide what do you allow when, and you need to understand where do you manage all these identities? So do you, if you look at your leads and prospects and your customers, your business partner, some of them will be federated in from other identity providers from external sources, others will be managed internally. You need types of management for that. And cloud directories clearly will be one of the, the, the most important technologies to do this. While you will manage some other externals and your employees, Charlie, your internal directory, you need to extend this.
You need to, to bring in these things. And I think this is an area when you look at Salesforce, SUBC, there's a good reason that Salesforce entered the, the market of identity management as a service by in fact, adding such a cloud directory and having a key strategy behind that's. Some one something SAP is lacking. As of now, something where, where I think SAP has to add just to, to really be able to deliver a secure story for support of the computing and to, to, to ensure secure fulfillment in a very consistent, simple to manage and simple, to be compliant with one area where SAP has some saying, this is afar, which is from, which is around mobile security. So mainly mobile device management. I think when we look at mobile device management and there are several podcast recordings on this topic, we have available our website, you might look at for diving deeper into detail, but there are different approaches to do this.
And first of all, I think that risk and context based authentication authorization is the most important thing for mobile security. It's not device management. It's really the way you handle risk and context based authentication authorization. And even when we look at MDM, there are different approaches and this is only one piece of a bigger puzzle. So there's something, but it's still not. The full story's view is not the end of the journey when we look at these changes overall. So I think there are some challenges for SAP, but there is also a lot of very well sort strategy behind. However, it really means a fundamental shift for the customer of SAP. So, so when we go back to yesterday, it was sort of, we have the SAP, there are some applications, some added applications around just there's SAP and Weaver as the underlying platform. So that's it.
And E R ping being the core today. It's really more that that SAPAna comes into play. There are more applications, SAP RPS, not that central anymore, it's still a fundamental thing. But in future, I think this is really empowered to understand a P RP is becoming increasing sort of more, more and more one of many applications, a important one of essential one for, for business versus, but the extension that is based on SAPAna and new types of applications by the, that cloud mobile social infrastructure, all the different components behind us. And for sure, also subnet, we really sort of changes the game. So it's really about the, the ecosystem around the E P system is becoming increasingly big, important, but also increasingly sort of distributed and complex. So there are more things you have to deal with, which is really sort of a game changer.
And if you want to make this shift, so moving closer to your customer with your business process, really enabling this extend enterprise, making things work, then you have to go that way, which, which however means your complex, your environment is becoming different. It's changing. And that's something you, you need to understand, which also means you have to protect and secure it in a different way. I think this is, it's a very fundamental paradigm shift. We are observing here, and I think it's important to understand this. So when we look at sort of as the closing slide, when you look at SAP and the computing Troy customer perspective. So first of all, what, what I really have to say is SAP shows a strong understanding of these challenges. SAP has really invested heavily massively in, in supporting these challenges. And what I really appreciate is the, as I think that's no surprise when looking at SAP is the way they're mapping these challenges to the business challenges.
So really change your organization, become agile support customers, demand for speed and new types of interaction. So with history SAP, there's, it's no surprise today. They have a strong business understanding they're close to the business. I think this is, is a very positive thing. They underpinned with a lot of technology. They have focused investment, but clearly you have to be aware of the dependency, not to say lock in, but there's very much about ha and other components. And clearly you build a lot of, again, that's something you've done internally. And right now you do it for the extend price. You build your business on SAP. So SAP always has di claim on business successful, good business. I don't exactly run SAP. And, and in fact it also means, yeah, you will, for pretty long time to run SAP, the ecosystem is becoming increasingly complex. So it's far away from the single product, the R two or three single of ancient times.
It's a far more complex ecosystem for running your business process in all types of environments. What we really see is that there should be more emphasis on full APIs approach. So API economy understanding which is central to this and the full supports related at access challenges, which are highly important to solve the security and compliance challenges of extending your business process beyond your classical perimeter, your classical internal tool. So that's my view on SAP, on the computing tracker. If you have questions, you might enter them right now in our questions tool. And I can pick them up like management before the presentation and the recording of this webinar will be available online, latest by tomorrow. So you can always review them if you have any questions on this, for sure. Feel free to directly approach us. My email address is available. You have have it at the front of the, at the first slide of this presentation slide back. So yeah, feel free to approach us on this. If there are no questions, then it's time for me to thank you for participating in this. Copy a call webinar. And I hope I could have brought you some valuable information on top to have you back in one of the upcoming call webinars soon. Thank you.