WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:19.500 Welcome to the KuppingerCole Analyst Chat. I'm your host. My name is Matthias Reinwarth. 00:00:19.500 --> 00:00:26.600 I'm an analyst and advisor with KuppingerCole Analysts. My guest today is Warwick Ashford. 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:33.109 He is a senior analyst with KuppingerCole. But much more importantly, 00:00:33.109 --> 00:00:39.430 he is one of the architects, of the engineers, of the agenda of the 00:00:39.430 --> 00:00:46.600 KuppingerCole Annual Event EIC 2025 in Berlin. Hi, good to have you Warwick. 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:51.629 Thanks Matthias. I'm excited to be here because I'm keen to talk about 00:00:51.629 --> 00:00:55.542 this. This is a topic we've been living with for literally 10 months 00:00:55.542 --> 00:00:59.226 since the end of the last EIC. So we've been beavering away, you 00:00:59.226 --> 00:01:03.600 included, and we've been trying to put together the best agenda that we can. 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:09.637 Absolutely. And if you're watching that before EIC, it really is a teaser for you 00:01:09.637 --> 00:01:15.525 to what to look forward to. Keynotes, workshops, streams, topics to be covered. 00:01:15.525 --> 00:01:21.563 And if you're watching this afterwards, no worries. It is also a look back on the 00:01:21.563 --> 00:01:27.600 EIC and what to catch up with if you can get hold of the recordings of the event. 00:01:27.600 --> 00:01:33.524 So if we look at this topic-wise, what are the key topics that you would 00:01:33.524 --> 00:01:40.600 consider to be outstanding from what we did in the last 10 months to form this agenda? 00:01:40.600 --> 00:01:45.415 There's actually quite a lot. As you know, it's been quite an effort to get 00:01:45.415 --> 00:01:50.486 everything together. I think I'd start by saying really we've tried to organize 00:01:50.486 --> 00:01:55.237 the information into sort of five streams. So we've got one on AI risk and 00:01:55.237 --> 00:02:00.373 opportunity, which I like the title of because I think this is kind of gives the 00:02:00.373 --> 00:02:06.600 dual edge of the whole AI innovation into the world today is that it's both risk and opportunity. 00:02:07.600 --> 00:02:11.865 Then, of course, we have security-related streams. So we can look at some of 00:02:11.865 --> 00:02:16.131 the topics there. And then we have trends and innovation. We're going to try 00:02:16.131 --> 00:02:20.564 and look at all the trends and innovation in the identity space. And then we've 00:02:20.564 --> 00:02:24.661 also kept with last year's formulation of inside the enterprise. We'll be 00:02:24.661 --> 00:02:29.600 looking at the core topics like IAMs, IGA, CIAM, B2B onboarding, and that kind of stuff. 00:02:29.600 --> 00:02:33.431 And then beyond the enterprise, which I guess was also going to be a 00:02:33.431 --> 00:02:37.375 pretty interesting track. I mean, obviously, we're going to be looking 00:02:37.375 --> 00:02:41.600 at EIDAS, identity wallets, travel credentials, and decentralized identity. 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:47.342 But the overall kind of theme this year is pioneering digital identity 00:02:47.342 --> 00:02:52.287 ecosystems. So that's kind of not every presentation is going to speak to 00:02:52.287 --> 00:02:57.571 this. But to me, it's one of the overarching themes or kind of the overarching 00:02:57.571 --> 00:03:03.600 theme that's going to be tying in is the idea of getting these identity ecosystems going. 00:03:03.600 --> 00:03:09.324 So that's kind of a key topic. Non-human identity is going to be an important topic 00:03:09.324 --> 00:03:15.324 this year, I think. And I've already mentioned EIDAS and the ID wallets. And then we're 00:03:15.324 --> 00:03:21.600 going to be from the AI side, they're going to be topics like integrating identity into AI. 00:03:21.600 --> 00:03:25.678 And then of course, decentralized identity, like last year, building on 00:03:25.678 --> 00:03:29.870 last year, there's going to be a lot around decentralized identity. And I 00:03:29.870 --> 00:03:34.120 think one of the highlights there is going to be a panel discussion on the 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:38.600 ecosystem approach to cross-border collaboration from the Asia Pacific region. 00:03:38.600 --> 00:03:42.436 And there's also going to be a panel discussion, which I think is also 00:03:42.436 --> 00:03:46.271 very important, about the business case for decentralized identity and 00:03:46.271 --> 00:03:49.833 the EDI wallet. And yeah, I'm sure you agree that we need to find 00:03:49.833 --> 00:03:54.600 business cases for these things, because without that, there's going to be no adoption. 00:03:54.600 --> 00:03:58.817 Absolutely. I have the pleasure and I'm really looking forward to 00:03:58.817 --> 00:04:03.488 moderating this beyond the enterprise track. So this is really something 00:04:03.488 --> 00:04:07.965 that I'm looking forward to as well. And as you said, these ecosystem 00:04:07.965 --> 00:04:12.247 aspects are really getting away from well-managed, well-maintained 00:04:12.247 --> 00:04:16.918 corporate identity silos in the end to solutions that are interoperable, 00:04:16.918 --> 00:04:23.600 that work together, that are standardized, that allow for transfer of selected data from system A to B. 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:30.082 This is really, I think, one of the key aspects for me as well. So going beyond just one 00:04:30.082 --> 00:04:36.342 management system to, yeah, interoperability, cooperation, collaboration. And I think 00:04:36.342 --> 00:04:42.529 this is also where these use cases will have to lie to allow for these things, these 00:04:42.529 --> 00:04:49.600 trends that we just see to actually evolve and to be implemented and really tested in real life. 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.677 I think this is really an important part. This ecosystem 00:04:53.677 --> 00:04:57.029 aspect being in the tagline of the overall event is important 00:04:57.029 --> 00:05:00.600 to me as well, but everything else that you've mentioned as well. 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:07.546 If we look at the keynotes, of course, they reflect main topics that will 00:05:07.546 --> 00:05:13.573 shape the EIC. What are the main keynotes, starting keynotes from external 00:05:13.573 --> 00:05:19.600 speakers, especially that you think are worthwhile mentioning as a teaser? 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.628 Well, of course, we kick off this year as we do every year with Martin keeping his opening 00:05:25.628 --> 00:05:30.600 keynote. And this year, he's going to be talking about the identity fabric for the 2040s. 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:36.408 So identity fabric is going to be one of the key topics. And I know there's 00:05:36.408 --> 00:05:41.600 going to be a workshop on that. So you can talk about that in a little while now. 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:46.629 And his keynote is going to be talking about the strategic foundations 00:05:46.629 --> 00:05:50.600 for digital identities in the age of quantum AI and decentralization. 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:55.320 So this is kind of insights into rethinking traditional IAM frameworks to 00:05:55.320 --> 00:05:59.600 ensure resilience and scalability and relevance in the face of technological change. 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:06.386 So again, that talks very strongly, obviously, to the theme of pioneering digital 00:06:06.386 --> 00:06:12.600 identity ecosystems. And this is kind of really building on his keynote from last year. 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.880 And yeah, so I mentioned the workshop. I mean, there are going 00:06:16.880 --> 00:06:20.161 to be eight workshops in total. One of them is going to be the 00:06:20.161 --> 00:06:23.600 Cooping a Coal workshop on designing your future identity fabric. 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:26.600 So maybe you could just tell us a little bit about that, too. 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:31.250 Yeah, absolutely. First of all, Martin has this visionary aspect. So he's 00:06:31.250 --> 00:06:36.600 looking into the 2040s, which is quite a bit far away, but we need to plan for that. 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:41.548 If we want to plan for the nearer future, that's actually where the workshop 00:06:41.548 --> 00:06:45.600 comes in from and held by my colleague, Philipp Messerschmidt and me together. 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:51.021 And we want to really show how we can operationalize the 00:06:51.021 --> 00:06:55.047 identity fabric and the Coping a Coal IAM reference 00:06:55.047 --> 00:07:01.600 architectures to build and evolve and create and to assess existing IAM ecosystems. 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:07.034 So we just did this revamp, this new version of the identity fabric 00:07:07.034 --> 00:07:11.600 and the reference architecture, which is an evolution, no revolution. 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:20.600 And using that for really, in real life, getting to a roadmap to a plan how to improve. 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.600 This is what we want to show in that workshop. 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.072 And I really hope that many are attending because this is 00:07:27.072 --> 00:07:30.971 something where we give away a bit of our advisory knowledge for 00:07:30.971 --> 00:07:35.600 all the participants so that they can leverage it in their own environments. 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.600 So I think that is really, really something to take away from this workshop. 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:45.600 But it's only one workshop, so we are competing against others. 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:46.600 Yes. 00:07:46.600 --> 00:07:47.600 It's one of many topics. 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.629 As you say, we're going to be also looking at in the 00:07:50.629 --> 00:07:53.600 workshops on how to find and educate your IAM team. 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:56.407 And then there's building a secure AI stack for the 00:07:56.407 --> 00:07:59.600 business, which I think is going to be really interesting. 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.379 We had a similar topic in the workshops last 00:08:02.379 --> 00:08:05.600 year, and that was very well attended and received. 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.543 Obviously, decentralized identity is going to be one 00:08:09.543 --> 00:08:12.600 of the workshops and privacy-first digital identities. 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.600 Certification of digital credential services and passive authentication. 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.031 So quite a lot of hands-on type stuff to to to get 00:08:22.031 --> 00:08:25.600 involved there now just coming back to the keynotes. 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:30.164 I'm pleased to that Max Rims will be joining us again this 00:08:30.164 --> 00:08:32.683 year as usually is going to be talking about the state of 00:08:32.683 --> 00:08:35.600 privacy because this is very adjacent to the whole identity thing. 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:38.506 And I think with the increased use of AI and smart app privileges and the sort of 00:08:38.506 --> 00:08:40.482 arrival of deep seek on the set on the scene and obviously everybody will know about 00:08:40.482 --> 00:08:42.600 the UK government's attempt to compel Apple to implement a surveillance backdoor silently. 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:00.600 I'm sure he'll probably talk about that and other 00:09:00.600 --> 00:09:03.600 sort of developments on the on the privacy front. 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:06.600 So yeah, that'll be that'll be good. 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:08.600 I'm glad that he's going to be joining us right now. 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:09.933 I think that is an aspect that is always underestimated and then cannot be 00:09:09.933 --> 00:09:11.213 overestimated because everything that we do relies on the principles of 00:09:11.213 --> 00:09:12.600 privacy of proper governance of proper compliance to regulatory requirements. 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:29.600 I think this is this is the foundation line and we cannot go beyond that. 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:34.600 So having Max again there that will be really interesting other keynotes to mention. 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:38.465 Well, the one of the ones that I'm the most excited about is that we were able to get 00:09:38.465 --> 00:09:41.600 Fulke Schimmel who is the head of the global data service of the UN Refugee Agency the UNHCR. 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:52.275 And I think this is a really good topic to have it at this conference this year 00:09:52.275 --> 00:09:57.600 because it's looking at the topic of I am as the keystone for the UNHCR's next generation. 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.879 Systems so it's all about I am relevance in globally 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.600 decentralized politically sensitive and critical scenarios. 00:10:08.600 --> 00:10:12.600 So this is about moving from national to transnational ecosystems. 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.600 So there's that word again ecosystems and the UNHCR is currently in the 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.600 process of launching a next generation digital ID systems for refugees. 00:10:21.600 --> 00:10:25.571 And I think what makes this interesting is that it's been done in an 00:10:25.571 --> 00:10:29.600 extremely complex technological operational and political situations. 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:35.583 And these also need to interoperate with national 00:10:35.583 --> 00:10:39.600 subnational and other systems that are going increasingly digital. 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:43.480 So apparently they're dealing with more than 120 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.600 million displaced people in more than 130 countries. 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.600 So they've launched two initiatives this year. 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.041 One is called the digital gateway, which is where refugees 00:10:54.041 --> 00:10:57.600 can access themselves directly for information and services. 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:03.893 And then the other one is an interoperability gateway, which enables governments to 00:11:03.893 --> 00:11:08.600 establish interoperability between their national ID systems and the UNHCR refugee ID data. 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:12.253 So both these systems are being currently implemented across Africa 00:11:12.253 --> 00:11:14.709 the Americas and Asia and this involves international agencies 00:11:14.709 --> 00:11:17.600 national governments and the identity industry to come together globally. 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.239 So that's why I think they were keen to to attend EIC this year 00:11:28.239 --> 00:11:30.836 is to kind of interact with the identity industry and and sort 00:11:30.836 --> 00:11:33.600 of, you know, see what what can be done in terms of collaboration. 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:36.571 So that in this context the UNHCR is in touch with the stakeholders 00:11:36.571 --> 00:11:38.512 and the service providers so that digital identity innovations can 00:11:38.512 --> 00:11:40.424 benefit refugees and then that kind of picks up on inclusivity in 00:11:40.424 --> 00:11:42.600 identity, which is another key topic, which I know is close to your heart. 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:56.600 Absolutely. 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.568 I think as long as an identity is only somebody 00:12:00.568 --> 00:12:03.600 who's tech savvy anyway, it is not an ecosystem. 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:08.815 We need to make sure that everybody is able to use identity management for 00:12:08.815 --> 00:12:13.536 their individual purposes, independent of age, gender, any types of 00:12:13.536 --> 00:12:18.610 diversity or disabilities or whatever you can think of it needs to be an 00:12:18.610 --> 00:12:24.600 ecosystem that serves everybody independent of everything that I've mentioned before. 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:28.919 This is, as you said, really close to me, because a system 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.611 that's only for 20% to know how to deal with smart cards is not 00:12:33.611 --> 00:12:38.600 a, it's not an identity management system that's real life capable. 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.600 So this is really what I'm looking forward to. 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.539 So the UNHCR presentation is really something I'm looking forward 00:12:44.539 --> 00:12:48.600 to but all the aspects that you've mentioned regarding inclusivity. 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.277 This is this is something where we need to make sure that these ecosystems serve all 00:12:52.277 --> 00:12:54.859 and anyone interested in in that topic will also be keen to know that that in the 00:12:54.859 --> 00:12:57.600 streams we have presentations on technology as an enabler not a barrier for inclusion. 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:02.333 Then we have a presentation on identity exclusion 00:13:02.333 --> 00:13:06.600 what that means and sort of what we need to do about it. 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.138 And then there's also one on identity poverty, which you've 00:13:16.138 --> 00:13:18.718 been kind of mentioned just now and it's it's about identity 00:13:18.718 --> 00:13:21.600 poverty becoming increasingly understood as a problem for refugees. 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:31.600 But there's also for people without a fixed address and it kind of affects people who are 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:35.600 like carers or anyone who changes their name from people who get married to trans people. 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.267 And so there's going to be a session dedicated to can look in how to 00:13:43.267 --> 00:13:45.894 make identity verification work for everyone and not not just those 00:13:45.894 --> 00:13:48.600 who are in the kind of the kind of tech savvy group as you mentioned. 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:52.600 And then of course, as I said security is a is a huge thing. 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.267 So we've got Max in deal and anyone who was at cyber revolution in 00:13:59.267 --> 00:14:01.772 Frankfurt last December will know what a great presentation he 00:14:01.772 --> 00:14:04.600 gave and so I was really keen for him to return to speak again at EIC. 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:09.261 And so he's he's one of Germany's top Caesars and he's teamed up with information 00:14:09.261 --> 00:14:13.600 security officer Julian Schwartzkopf to talk about the future of identity and access management. 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:27.968 So that should be interesting is looking I'm looking forward to to 00:14:27.968 --> 00:14:32.600 exploring how I am is in conjunction with zero trust digital identity. 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:39.600 Innovation and agentic AI will shape the digital experiences of tomorrow. 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.574 So that should be one one to look out for and then rounding off the the kind 00:14:43.574 --> 00:14:45.522 of first day of keynotes is one of the pioneers in the digital identity and 00:14:45.522 --> 00:14:47.470 personal data empowerment arenas Katrina Dow and she'll be talking right on 00:14:47.470 --> 00:14:49.600 theme about moving from digital identity solutions to digital identity ecosystems. 00:14:50.600 --> 00:14:56.600 So there's the word again, and what it will take to achieve scale and interoperability. 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:03.600 But then still, you know on the on the topic of of underrepresented people and stuff. 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.010 I'm also very pleased that Paul to me who is the co-chair 00:15:08.010 --> 00:15:11.600 of the digital identity and personal data empowerment arena. 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:14.211 Guide which is the global initiative for digital empowerment is going to be at 00:15:14.211 --> 00:15:16.788 EIC this year and he's going to be talking about empowering digital consumers 00:15:16.788 --> 00:15:19.600 and this is about the proposal for the next stage of the European digital ecosystem. 00:15:23.600 --> 00:15:29.600 And that's a framework for supporting the EU initiative to build consumer-driven data. 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.970 Markets and to achieve a balance of power between citizens and digital service 00:15:33.970 --> 00:15:37.600 providers, which I think should be a really good adjacent topic for this year's EIC. 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:45.600 Right and I think that's also a beauty of EIC that it's not only technological problems. 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.976 Of course, it's all about technology, but how we 00:15:48.976 --> 00:15:51.600 can use it to build a better future for our citizens. 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.525 And how to make it accessible for everybody as I said, and to really cover the 00:15:54.525 --> 00:15:57.600 angles that are usually a bit ignored by other events by other by other companies. 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:02.397 So it's really the broader picture which I really like a topic 00:16:02.397 --> 00:16:05.600 which everybody's talking about and we need to talk about that as well. 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:11.600 You've mentioned that already with identity for all. 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.600 And I think that's a really good example. 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.533 It's the overall AI topic and I think that's 00:16:18.533 --> 00:16:21.600 something that will return in several aspects. 00:16:22.600 --> 00:16:26.600 So on the one hand, it's identities for AI. 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:33.600 So you mentioned NHI, non-human identities already, but also AI for identity management. 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.600 So how to use AI in improving IAM systems. 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:41.556 Is this something that is covered on the one hand in keynotes or on 00:16:41.556 --> 00:16:44.600 the other hand also in particular streams that you want to highlight? 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.600 Well, Max and Julian's keynote will be touching on that, I think. 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:58.600 But then obviously, as I mentioned before, there's the AI risks and opportunity stream. 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:05.600 So the AI topics include things like redefining trust and authorization for the AI era. 00:17:06.600 --> 00:17:10.600 I think that's going to be really challenging in the coming years. 00:17:11.600 --> 00:17:13.813 And then also looking at things like AI in biometric 00:17:13.813 --> 00:17:16.409 authentication and SX and responsibilities, a whole area that 00:17:16.409 --> 00:17:19.600 needs to come to some discussion and in the AI driven digital identity era. 00:17:25.600 --> 00:17:29.490 And then one thing that I know that Martin Kueping is quite keen on and 00:17:29.490 --> 00:17:33.600 that he's going to be talking about is the intersection of AI and identity. 00:17:33.600 --> 00:17:36.772 And he's coined this phrase that he's rather keen on of AI 00:17:36.772 --> 00:17:40.600 identity and talking around the topic of integrating identity into AI. 00:17:41.600 --> 00:17:44.600 And then, of course, we've got AI powered privacy and data protection. 00:17:45.600 --> 00:17:49.436 And then I'm also very pleased that we've got something on personhood credentials, 00:17:49.436 --> 00:17:53.600 which is something that's been kind of stirring up quite a lot of discussion on LinkedIn. 00:17:53.600 --> 00:17:58.007 And this is about the sort of digital proofs that someone is real, kind 00:17:58.007 --> 00:18:02.600 of a human being, not like a bot or a deep fake or an AI generated entity. 00:18:03.600 --> 00:18:06.247 So unlike traditional IDs, they don't need to 00:18:06.247 --> 00:18:09.600 reveal your identity, just that you're a verified person. 00:18:10.600 --> 00:18:14.579 So they're an important topic, I think, because as AI generated 00:18:14.579 --> 00:18:18.558 content and fake identities become more advanced, organizations 00:18:18.558 --> 00:18:22.600 need new ways to ensure real humans are behind the online world. 00:18:23.600 --> 00:18:27.600 They need real online interactions, especially in identity, security and trust frameworks. 00:18:28.600 --> 00:18:33.397 So personhood credentials could potentially play a key role in fighting 00:18:33.397 --> 00:18:38.600 things like fraud, misinformation and identity abuse across digital services. 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:42.633 So that's also something that I'm particularly 00:18:42.633 --> 00:18:45.600 chuffed about having on the agenda this year. 00:18:46.600 --> 00:18:47.600 So just coming back to the keynotes. 00:18:48.600 --> 00:18:52.003 In addition to all the new bloods that we've been able to 00:18:52.003 --> 00:18:56.003 introduce, like Max Imbiel and Paul Toomey and Ford Cashimil, we're 00:18:56.003 --> 00:19:00.600 going to have EIC stalwarts like Ian Glazer and I also mentioned Katrina Dow. 00:19:01.600 --> 00:19:03.600 Ian Glazer, he's an industry thought leader. 00:19:04.600 --> 00:19:06.600 He's been presenting at EIC for many years now. 00:19:06.600 --> 00:19:11.173 And this year is going to be presenting his perspective on putting the four 00:19:11.173 --> 00:19:15.746 components of modern identity to work, which is about how organizations can 00:19:15.746 --> 00:19:21.600 evaluate their identity landscape to choose the right tools to build a stronger identity fabric. 00:19:22.600 --> 00:19:24.600 And then we've also got Dr. Michael B. 00:19:25.600 --> 00:19:29.352 Jones. He's, you know, everybody would know he's a leading expert in 00:19:29.352 --> 00:19:33.600 digital identity authentication standards and privacy enhancing technologies. 00:19:34.600 --> 00:19:38.475 And so the topic for his presentation this year is so you want 00:19:38.475 --> 00:19:42.600 to use digital credentials, you're now facing a myriad of choices. 00:19:43.600 --> 00:19:47.600 So this is him giving his perspective on the different credential options available. 00:19:47.600 --> 00:19:51.628 So I think that that should be really good and useful for organizations 00:19:51.628 --> 00:19:55.600 who are planning to navigate this brave new world of digital identity. 00:19:58.600 --> 00:20:00.994 And then we have a representative of the open 00:20:00.994 --> 00:20:03.600 ID Foundation the executive director Gail Hodges. 00:20:04.600 --> 00:20:06.472 She's going to be speaking on how tomorrow's 00:20:06.472 --> 00:20:08.600 digital trust infrastructure is being built today. 00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:11.763 So again, that's on theme of pioneering digital 00:20:11.763 --> 00:20:15.600 identity ecosystems and then also another adjacent topic. 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:20.004 We have Nathan case. He'll be joining us from the US is an 00:20:20.004 --> 00:20:22.698 enterprise security and cloud governance executive and he's going 00:20:22.698 --> 00:20:25.600 to be talking about identity and the foundational reality of security. 00:20:29.600 --> 00:20:33.465 Or why do we trust you are who you are so that kind of will help to bring the identity 00:20:33.465 --> 00:20:37.600 and the security topics together and then we've tried to maintain it as topical as possible. 00:20:38.600 --> 00:20:40.513 So with the intensification of us isolationist policies manifested 00:20:40.513 --> 00:20:42.426 through these aggressive new tariffs that everyone's talking about 00:20:42.426 --> 00:20:44.600 and foreign technology restrictions and and shifting diplomatic alignments. 00:20:49.600 --> 00:20:55.600 It's brought the concept of sovereign cloud to the forefront of business risk discussion. 00:20:55.600 --> 00:21:00.600 So our colleague Mike small will be exploring how we might be able to do that. 00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:06.600 The four key risks or arising from the extraterritorial reach of the US laws. 00:21:06.600 --> 00:21:09.963 And executive authority particularly in scenarios 00:21:09.963 --> 00:21:13.600 where the US government may override legal contracts. 00:21:13.600 --> 00:21:17.000 So he will assess how businesses outside the US can 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.600 evaluate and mitigate these sovereignty related risks. 00:21:21.600 --> 00:21:23.608 Absolutely. And I think again, you've shown the breadth of what we can expect from 00:21:23.608 --> 00:21:25.567 EIC and I hope that we already inspired some people to have a look at the agenda 00:21:25.567 --> 00:21:27.600 on our website and maybe to take this last minute opportunity to join us in Berlin. 00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:35.318 So we will be there from the sixth to the ninth. So four pack days, as you said of 00:21:35.318 --> 00:21:43.600 five, maybe even one more stream of Live Matters and I will be joining for that as well. 00:21:43.600 --> 00:21:50.459 It will be on Alexanderplatz, a really great venue and it will be a great 00:21:50.459 --> 00:21:57.600 city and it will be, I think, a great event. So 6th to 9th of May in Berlin. 00:21:57.600 --> 00:22:02.502 So if you want to join us, if you're watching this, listening to that, just 00:22:02.502 --> 00:22:07.600 before the EIC, be there. If you are listening to that afterwards, no worries. 00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:13.310 You can catch up with everything that we did. All streams, mostly all 00:22:13.310 --> 00:22:19.600 streams are recorded and can be revisited via playback and videos and so on. 00:22:19.600 --> 00:22:23.621 So I'm looking forward to that. I'm really looking forward to the 00:22:23.621 --> 00:22:27.208 not so much technical aspects of things, as you've already 00:22:27.208 --> 00:22:31.600 mentioned. Although I'm a tech guy, I'm really looking forward to that. 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:37.481 So the breadth is the beauty. Your final recommendation, anything that you 00:22:37.481 --> 00:22:43.600 want to highlight, maybe a smaller topic that gets never that much attention. 00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:48.100 Not topic wise because I've covered all the topics that I think 00:22:48.100 --> 00:22:51.600 are really important, but I think you've already touched on it. 00:22:51.600 --> 00:22:54.600 Is that a huge topic and how do we handle it? 00:22:54.600 --> 00:22:58.424 Is there a final recommendation, anything that you want to 00:22:58.424 --> 00:23:02.314 highlight, maybe a smaller topic that gets nevertheless the 00:23:02.314 --> 00:23:06.600 biggest stage, anything you want to mention before we close down? 00:23:06.600 --> 00:23:09.600 Not topic wise because I've covered all the topics that I think 00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:12.600 are really important, but I think you've already touched on it. 00:23:12.600 --> 00:23:16.541 Is that although we are a hybrid conference and that anybody with a 00:23:16.541 --> 00:23:20.600 full conference ticket will be able to access the content afterwards. 00:23:20.600 --> 00:23:25.600 I think it's really important to be on site because that's where the magic really happens. 00:23:25.600 --> 00:23:28.600 It's all the conversations in the corridors over lunch over coffee. 00:23:28.600 --> 00:23:33.600 That's what makes EIC special and it's the coming together of the identity community. 00:23:33.600 --> 00:23:39.600 That's important is kind of maybe even more important than the content on the stage. 00:23:39.600 --> 00:23:46.500 So it's really important for you guys to be on site and to come and join us in Berlin. 00:23:46.600 --> 00:23:51.586 Thank you very much, Borek, for giving that insight into the work that 00:23:51.586 --> 00:23:56.500 you spent, as you said, 10 months, almost a year preparation for EIC. 00:23:56.600 --> 00:24:03.500 We are close to that. And that means in two months you can start for EIC 2026. 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:09.328 Let's wait for that. But for now, we are looking forward 00:24:09.328 --> 00:24:14.500 to meeting all of you in Berlin at the BCC at Alexanderplatz 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:18.500 and really looking forward to having a great event and great conversations. 00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:20.500 Again, thank you very much, Borek. 00:24:20.500 --> 00:24:21.500 Thank you. 00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:22.500 Thank you and bye bye. 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:34.500 Bye bye.